Worrying Rise of The BNP
Posted on 04 July 2008 by Shamik Das
Last week’s by-election in Henley was a depressing one. It’s not just that Labour polled an abysmal three per cent, but that they were beaten into fifth place by the BNP.
Let me just re-iterate that fact: more people voted for the British National Party than the governing party of this country. It takes a while to sink in.
Labour’s woes and the Prime Minister’s growing unpopularity aside, it was still a worrying result, as shocking as it was unexpected, the reverberations of which are still being felt today.
If such a result can happen in the rural idyll of Henley-on-Thames, a picture perfect village as far removed from the desolation and deprivation of the scummiest inner city cess pits as one can imagine, it can happen anywhere.
Though the Henley result was their biggest, most high-profile impact on a Parliamentary election so far, the BNP have made gains in local council elections, increasing their vote every year since 2005.
The BNP currently have more than 50 councillors nationally, 13 of which are in London - 12 in Barking and Dagenham and one in Redbridge - with a further four in neighbouring Epping Forest in Essex.
Other town where they have enjoyed electoral success include Burnley (four councillors), Bradford (two) and Kirklees (two) in the North, and Sandwell (two) and Stoke-on-Trent (nine) in the Midlands.
And in May, they scored their biggest win to date, claiming a seat on the London Assembly via the top-up lists by just 10,000 votes. As ever, turnout was key, and if just a handful more Londoners had voted, for whatever party, they wouldn’t have got in.
So how can they be beaten? Getting more people to vote is definitely one way, as is allaying people’s fears on immigration, but the key is to confront these vile racists head on and demolish the lies and propaganda they spread.
Ceding ground to them and trying to sound ever more right-wing, as some in the Government have been doing, is not the answer. Margaret Hodge, a third-rate backbencher and Member of Parliament for Barking, proposes just this strategy, and it’s resulted in a dozen BNP councillors in her own back yard.
Another Labour MP, Immigration Minister Liam Byrne, has gone even further; last month unveiling plans to fine and possibly jail British Asians if their relatives from India and Pakistan overstay their visas, having made them pay a cash bond in advance of their arrival.
“What we want to do is have a new system but punish people if things go wrong,” he said, referring to people coming over for family weddings and then disappearing. “We want to make sure that we can just hit people and hit people hard if their family member breaks the rules.”
When French resistance fighters killed German soldiers the Gestapo would round up innocent villagers and shoot ten of them for every dead German soldier. It was called “collective punishment”; this policy works on the same principle.
No, the way to see off the threat of the BNP is to allay voters’ fears over everything from crime to youth provision to the health service to education, and take on and destroy the racists’ propaganda that immigrants are responsible for all this nation’s ills.
Immigration into this country has resulted in a net benefit to the British economy. Fact. The National Health Service would collapse without immigrants. Fact. Millions of British jobs depend on foreign trade and investment. Fact. The list goes on and on…
They may no longer be as overtly racist as they once were, and they may have swapped their black-shits and skinheads for tailored suits and slick haircuts, but scratch the surface and they’re the same nasty, repugnant filth they always were.
They may try to divide us, but united we shall remain.
When the time comes, get out and vote, for a wasted vote is as bad as a BNP one.
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July 4th, 2008 at 10:39 am
What an absolute load of garbage.
July 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
You claim immigration gives a net benefit to the British economy? Thats not what the house of lords report told us.
NHS would collapse without foreign workers? What about the 1000’s of British doctors and nurses that cannot find jobs here because the NHS is riddled with cheap forign ones and a monster bureaucracy that eats most of the funds. Not to mention that with the UK trying to get its hands on the cheapest foreign NHS workers to lower its costs, are taking much needed qualified medical personnel from developing countries who deasperatly need them, thats a disgrace.
Lots of jobs do indeed depends on forign trade and investment, but lots of jobs are also being taken away by forigners, (80% of new jobs created under labour have gone to forigners) and British manufacturing and services have been shipped abroad. (HP Sauce, and numerous call centers for example)
If you tackled the BNP head on, you would find they are not skinheads in suits. Just normal people who are deeply concerned about the state this country is in right now, I for one am currently doing a degree at a top university and I see sense in the BNP policies. If you tried to argue these points we would rip you apart, just like Nick Griffin has done in the past and which is why he is never asked onto a live panel.
This is a sick society we live in today that will only get worse and worse until something is done, being all politically correct to avoid “hurt feelings” or losing the votes of a few minorities is one of the main things thats causing it. Just because the BNP say it like it is, we are deemed racist. Pathetic.
July 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Paul, it’s one thing to ’say it like it is’ and another to cultivate an insular and ostracizing national identity. Foreigners are always made to be the scapegoats of a declining society because it’s easier to instill fear of the unknown than of the well known. Besides, since you study at a top university, you should know that immigration is a good indicator of a healthy economy. One shouldn’t blame the people that obtain ‘British’ jobs and instead blame the companies who want to cut costs and as a side-effect, create a divide.
It’s a shame that a man with your intelligence and ambition falls prey to the hostile waves of a racist flood. We’ve all seen the hidden camera footage. You’re not fooling nobody.
July 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Good idea about the travel passes though!
July 4th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Again with these comments you show how much you misunderstand. We dont blame the immigrants for wanting to come here and improve their lives, I certainly dont and neither do my friends who hold the same views. Who wouldnt do that if they had the chance?
The problem is that we have no control over who is coming here, no medical screening over who does come here leading to the re-emergence of previously eradicated diseases. No sharing of criminal files, for example a Pole in a gym my friend goes to has a conviction in Poland for murder. No control over the numbers, meaning the UK has one of the most overcrowded countries in the world.
The list really does go on.
Businesses are not directly to blame either, they are operating in the realms of faceless capitalism where having the lowest paid workers makes them more competitive. If I started my own business and employed British only workers, I would have to pay them more money and therefore my products/services would be more expensive, thus my business would struggle that that of my competetor who employs immigrants and who has outsourced his customer support to India.
The people we blame are the government, Labour and Conservative who have continually gone against the people of this country with their reckless policies in the persuit of the fabled middle ground in order to keep their snouts in the trough.
I’ve seen the footage of Nick saying Islam is a wicked vicious faith, Id slightly disagree with him and say that organised Islam is a wicked vicious faith. Im an agnostic anyway so have a natural bias against all religion, including organised Christianity.
Im not going to say that there isnt any unsavory characters in the BNP because that would be a lie. I recall at a BNP function someone on a nearby table who was sitting alone, butted into our conversation with the words “1488″ while we were discussing removal of convicted criminal immigrants before or after their sentencing. The 14 meaning the 14 words, securing an existance for our white people etc, and 88 standing for heil hitler. This instantly decended our table into a stunned silence, my first thoughts being “what a fucking idiot”. We threw a few nasty comments his way under our breath and reported him to a local ograniser. This was nearly a year ago and I’ve never seen him since or had another experience like this.
A problem with being the biggest nationalist party in the UK is that we get people from the NF or other neo-nazi organisations realising we are the only party with a chance of making a breakthrough and jumping ship to join us, unfortunatley bringing their views with them, scaring away voters and leading good people such as yourself to tar all of us with the same brush.
Believe me people like this are made to feel really unwelcome which is why our membership looks more and more like a cross section of the general public and not like the NF of 25 years ago which everyone with no real contact with the BNP percieves.
Besides, lets take a look at the slease and criminal elements of the labour, libdem and conservative parties. I mean theres hardly a difference between the Liberal democrats membership lists and the sex offenders register!
July 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
The fact that more people voted for the BNP than Labour is showing that democracy works. The fact that this Shamic Das person says the people who voted democratically should be overruled … says it all. NuLabour and all their supporters are Marxist left wingers who would enslave us all to their “nazi” doctrine and alien culture. The BNP have just hammered Labour in 5 more council elections. That will give Mr Das nightmares. Could he be on the wrong side? The people of this country are waking up. More power to the people. BNP are the true socalists and future saviours of this country.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Excess immigration has not been good for the poor of this country.
The BNP will not go away in the short term because alot of poor white folk now live off benefits or are working in low paid low skilled jobs (often with top up benefits).
In the last five years there has been a sea change in attitudes amongst many people I know, their now total disillusionment with Labour (capitalist lackeys) has pushed many to claim they will now be voting BNP, “at least they care about us”.
Of course there is no need for great concern, not only are most Brits intrinsically tolerant, we have a first past the post electoral system for this very reason. The BNP will never have any more power than say the Libs now.
July 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Paul, as much as you are charming me with your eloquent ways, I see you personally as one of the reasons why the BNP is doing so well in their quest for legitimacy. The only difference between the BNP then and the BNP now is presentation and PR. They knew that to be heard, their image had to change. So people like yourself, who can present an argument calmly and in a respectable fashion are exploited to promote a blatantly racist party.
Just take one look at the BNP constitution, which promotes an all white Britain, opposes mixed race relationships and constantly uses racial eugenics to justify these. How can they warrant affiliations with the National Alliance and people like David Duke and then expect the general public not to class them as racists?
Now despite me agreeing or disagreeing with BNP policies as a brown person, it’s a matter of principle for me because I will never be accepted by a BNP run government despite me contributing back to the community, holding a respectable job and no criminal record.
July 4th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Paul, Ged and Joe P, quite why you bother reading a website like this, much less commenting, is beyond me.
Take your vile, racist opinions elsewhere. The BNP will be defeated. Ripped apart by Nick Griffin? Don’t make me laugh.
Nazis? Perhaps you need a little reminder of who the Nazis were. Like yourself and Nick Griffin they were violent, racist thugs, and they too were defeated.
You have no reasoned arguments, and no facts to back up your prejudices. If the best you can do is to accuse the Labour party of being Nazis, we really do have nothing to worry about.
Oh, and calling all Lib Dems sex offenders. Let me remind you that it was a BNP candidate who said that “rape was no big deal” and said women “need to be struck regularly”:-
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2008/04/london_assembly
As I said, scratch the surface…
July 4th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Expressing yourself with such hostility when your opinions have been questioned really doesnt do much for you. I would never consider myself to be a violent racist thug. I think the only act of hostility and aggression I’ve shown was when I entered a karate tournament when I was 13! Oh I did get slightly annoyed a few days ago when some teens were smoking cannabis right outside the front entrance of the job center in a busy town high street.
Did you even read my comments? Im trying to give reasoned arguements and will happily debate them. A big problem with so called “Anti facists” is the fact that they claim we have no reasoned arguements and that a 15yr old could out debate us but then refuse to enter a political arena with us and choose to stand on the sidelines, throwing insults and slurs that are water off a ducks back.
Im very much aware of this candidates comments and find them just as disgusting as you did, if not more so. However there are creatures found in every political party, not just the BNP. Here be a few examples;
Lib dems
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7421696.stm
http://www.stockportexpress.co.uk/community/nostalgia/s/310/310462_the_2002_news_review.html — Look under July for Neil Derbyshire
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2819957.stm
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/mostpopular.var.2187049.mostcommented.waltham_forest_wifebeating_councillor_escapes_jail_sentence.php
Conservative
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/5063992.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1999/07/13/nper13.html
Labour
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.politics.parliament/browse_thread/thread/fc2ac4350a4d0168?fwc=1
Plenty there to keep you busy
Now this was all found within about 10 mins searching on the web, Im sure (unfortunatley) I could find alot more.
Im sure you are a good person Shamik and if I had no contact with the BNP other than what I read in the searchlight publications then I would think exactly like you do and want to stop it too.
In fact when I first joined the party and discovered the stories about us I was scared to death. “What the hell have I done!” I thought constantly for days. But then I dug a little further into the backgrounds of people making these comments such as the hardline communist Gerry gable and his minions and decided I needed to find out for myself. I contacted one of the BNPs local organisers and was invited to a meeting at a nearby town and he would pick me up about 30 mins before it began from my area.
Of course I was slightly nervous, expecting a skinhead in doc martins and tatoos to pull up but ended up being greeted by a student around my age with long hair and smart suit (he had just finished work). The meeting itself cirtainly buried my doubt about them once and for all, not a skinhead or swastica in sight, just local people concerned about their society and its decline. In the weeks that followed I met a sort of hippy woman who specialises in massage therapy and a Odinist who loves viking reenactment battles, both some of the nicest people you could meet.
Please dont just say “scratch the surface” really go out there and do it. You should be just as surprised as I once was.
July 4th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
I see the BNP PR machine is out on full force tonight (two old guys with an alert on Google News!). Keep up the good work guys… you’re doing a fantastic job
July 4th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
It’s all well and good preaching about it, but when is the Asian population going to start countering this threat?
There are many ways you can get organised, help your local UAF branch with their action days, go leafleting with them, go with them on counter-demonstrations, or at least help them financially
Go to http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/ and press the bloody ‘Donate via Paypal’ button.
If you don’t wake up soon, it will be Uganda all over again…
Rah.
July 4th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Thats giving the BNP far too much credit. BNP will never, get into power, its a certainty. They may influence policy on immigration, but that is all.
July 5th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Why the hostility when youre opinions are questioned Shamik?
Im happy to have a debate with you over facts and facts alone but this seems to be something the so called “anti facists” will never do, they instead sit on the sidelines when given a chance to enter a free and fair debate and when the BNP cant defend themselves, make nazi comments and highlight the tragedy which was WW2 in order to guilt trip people and silence the debate.
I think doing this is a cowardly act and I hope you dont sink that low. My grandads brother was an Arnhem paratrooper, my Great grandad died in the Somme and my Grandad was in training, prepared to risk his life and I’m swelling with pride at of all of them. If you think I, or most people in the BNP are Nazis then you are greatly mistaken.
I would have nothing to do with such an organisation and neither would my friend from within the party.
I joined the BNP after overhearing them mentioned in an A level politics class. Having no idea who they were I logged onto their website and had a quick read.
Now I’d checked out the usual suspects websites earlier in the lesson, to me the Liberals had no conviction, Labour harped on about how much money they had been spending on things and the conservatives had just stolen the green partys clothes while having a dig at labour.
The BNP’s website was different, they had real conviction and something to believe in. The manifesto made perfect sense to combat the slide this country has been taking for years and the deprivation I see out of my window every day. I went home from my class and had a more detailed look, then paid my membership money there and then.
I had no idea about the nazi thug image the party had attached until a few days later when I was filling in an application to become a special constable and saw a question asking if you had ever been a member of the BNP or similar. Puzzled I went online to find out why and stumbled upon a UAF website. It scared me to death! I recall thinking ‘Oh my god, what have I gotten myself into here and how can I get myself out!’ However rather than take their word for it I did a bit of research into the matter and found out the comments were headed by hardline communists such as Gerry Gable who repeat the same insults over and over on every anti bnp website there is. If the BNP were really this violent and repugnant then I expected there to be some variance in the stories the local anti facists report, instead there are just the same old stories and smears.
I then decided to contact the BNP local organiser to get some real experience of them. I was invited to a meeting in a nearby town with a free lift from my area. I accepted and was expecting a skinhead, tatooed thug to pull up but this was far from the case. I was greeted by a long haired hippy type character in a suit (he had just finished work) he was perfectly normal and not a sign of any racist tendancies at all (and he has never shown them in the 2 years ive now known him because they dont exist).
At the meeting itself, the people attending just looked like a normal cross section of the public, no army of knuckle dragging nazis like UAF described.
This is the reality, the BNP of today are far removed from the NF of the 70’s and if you really did scratch the surface you would see this for yourself. Im sure you are a good person Shamik and all I ask is that you try to get some real experience of us rather than believe the UAF.
Oh I also seriously find that candidates attitudies towards rape sicking and i’m glad he was given the boot. However before you continue to act like the is the lowest of the low, take a look at the following list
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.politics.parliament/browse_thread/thread/fc2ac4350a4d0168?fwc=1
Finally the comment “Paul, Ged and Joe P, quite why you bother reading a website like this, much less commenting, is beyond me.” sounds extremely racist and intolerant. Please tell me this isnt the case.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:49 am
Thursday, 3 July 2008
A bnp regional organisers mail to me. the real bnp at work
From: AndrewGatward@aol.com
Date: 03/07/2008 09:54:41
To: jwt35@btopenworld.com
Subject: Re: Welcome to my web site I am a labour councillor in Tameside for the Dukin…
have spoken with my mates in tameside, they dont know what your talking about…so the liar strikes again….you really are worthless to anything decent taylor…your illiterate, retarded, and must have suffered a very bad childhood…was it the sex with your mother thats upset you…and regarding the closure of your site dumbo…you say it your self in one of your latest posts…senile as well, but then so are the rest of your mob…get a life, and stop being jealous of the unity, loyalty, and comradeship we all have in the BNP, which i am sure you all long for in the Labour nazi’s……and yes, you will be out your seat in no time, whether it be by BNP candidate, or Conservative, i don’t really care at this stage…conservative can win all for me, as long as the Labour Hitlerites are removed…..your very very sad taylor, you need medical help, and I suggest you get it
Posted by John Taylor at Thursday, July 03, 2008
July 5th, 2008 at 3:22 am
Thats all very well and good, giving a cut out of a partial story. What exactly happened to provoke this? Is it real?
July 5th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Which extremist group, lacks conviction?
Which terror network lacks belief?
Hell, they kill themselves for their beliefs, isnt that conviction? Does that certify them to be legitimate and worthy of being followed?
July 5th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Gordon Brown is constantly criticised for his lack of conviction and morale, the BNP are now attacked for having too much conviction and morale. What is it the fabled middle ground the fence sitters actually want? Someone with a bit of conviction, some of the time? No one rocking the boat so they only have to worry about the soaps or sports?
Whats wrong with conviction in wanting to build a better Britain and making this place the low crime beautiful country that it used to be.
July 5th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Okay, Look, its pretty simple. Conviction=is good!
But, Conviction leading to bloodshed and trauma for millions of ethnic people=baaaaaad!
You see why we aint applauding ur convcition?
July 5th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
One should really ask, “Why is BNP gaining ground?”.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Bloodshed and trauma? Are you serious?
Please dont tell me you actually believe the UAF rabble that we intend to kill all ethnics if we get into power. You must be more educated than that.
July 5th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Oh sorry, so you dont want us to leave now?
July 5th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Stay if you want my friend!
July 6th, 2008 at 12:57 am
http://wagdukinfield.blogspot.com/2008/07/democrats-at-work-bnp-style.html
Democrats at work bnp style
—–Original Message—–
From: Anonymous [mailto:cripto@ecn.org]
Sent: 05 July 2008 20:25
To: John Taylor - COUNCILLOR
Subject: Redwatch
Congratulations, you’re on Redwatch. I am going to take you out. Six .22
rounds in the back of your head should do the trick. I would bring my
.38 special but it makes one hell of a mess. I’ll be seeing you.
July 6th, 2008 at 2:10 am
Paul, “80% of new job’s Labour have created have gone to foreigners” you’ve got to be joking right, seriously you can’t actually be that dumb, can you? I’ll let that statement slide, we all say silly things from time to time. I apologise profusely for the fact the natives have taken over production of HP Sauce, but you guys did take the Kohi Noor and I know which one i’d prefer.
It’s a good thing you’re not planning on starting your own business because you seem to have a basic grasp of employment law. You can’t pay someone less just because they’re foreign, we have this thing called the minimum wage which applies to all legal workers. Unless the NHS has started paying cash in hand, it costs the NHS just as much to pay sunita as it does to pay susie. As for the reason why the NHS is going abroad for its nurses, because the British don’t seem to want to become nurses anymore and sadly hospitals can’t function without nurses. Last year 5000 British trained by British taxpayers money nurses formally signed intentions to move and practise in Australia. You want someone to blame for the state of nursing, start there.
You say you don’t blame the immigrants nor are businesses directly to blame, then who’s fault is it? You seem to have a lot of pent up anger and frustration, you should find a healthy way to release it, maybe join a gym, but not the one where the Polish murderers hang out. Incidentally, if he told you he was superman would you believe him too? That top university you study at, I hope you say thanks to your foreign friends for paying exorbitant amounts to keep your fees down. Where I do wholeheartedly agree with you is that Labour have made some amazing cock ups, education education education said Mr Blair, but if you’re the calibre of student getting into one of our top University’s then my friend please send me one of those repatriation tickets.
I know you like your criminal records, so here’s one I made earlier:
-Former National Organiser Richard Edmonds was convicted for his part in a vicious bottle attack on a mixed race couple in a pub in East London 1993
-BNP supporter Stuart Kerr was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment for firebombing an Asian shop in Chichester, Sussex
-BNP leader Nick Griffin was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in April 1998
-The BNP organiser for Waltham Forest, Alan Gould, was convicted of racially abusing people in a pub in 2000
-Former BNP member David Copeland was sentenced to six life sentences after planting bombs in London. He wanted to start a race war.
July 6th, 2008 at 2:37 am
Comon, really now. Where is the solid proof a genuine BNP member wrote this? Anyone could have written that and due to the failure of the nazi smears it wouldnt surprise me if a member of UAF did it themselves.
July 6th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Deny, deny and deny again, use your smoke and mirrors elsewhere Nazi Boy.
What are you doing here anyway, trying to convince turkeys into voting for Christmas?
Or have you decided to let us wogs into the BNP?
July 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Okay M, firstly it seems to be you who doesnt really keep track of current events.
Lets start here shall we?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501128/80-new-jobs-gone-migrants-Labour-came-power.html
http://www.therecruiterslounge.com/2007/11/06/immigration-visa-h1b/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3031553.ece
Next lesson is that of course people dont get paid less because they are foreign, thats not what I claimed and anyone with a grasp of basic economics will know why more migrants into the country results in lowering of wages. As you show that your economics is a little rusty, here is a quick lesson.
Lets say there is a healthy bricklayers trade in this country and for their services, they can claim around £15 an hour for a contracted job. These bricklayers know there isnt a huge amount of skilled people such as themselves that do this work, so this enables them to charge a higher price. In other words, the workers have the power over the people that need bricklaying done because there are more jobs availible than workers to do them.
Now lets say that with the millions of economic migrants that have entered this country, 10% are qualified bricklayers. All of a sudden bricklayers find that there are more bricklayers around than jobs, the power has shifted from the workers, to the people that need bricklaying. Im sure you are intelligent enough to figure out what will happen to the bricklayers wages.
Another scenario is that there is a job availible cleaning toilets, going for minimum wage. After a few weeks there are no takers, so how do you get people to apply? start increasing the wages you will pay.
However with so many millions of migrants entering the country, this job is snapped up as the minimum wage here is worth around 6x more than what it would be in their home countries.
Another way of looking at it, I have a job for someone to clean the toilet of my club after a saturday night, not pleasant. So i put an ad in the paper offering £20 to clean it. 100’s of applicants apply for it, so what do I do? Try to lower the wages of course as theres bound to be some who will do it for lower pay.
Your next statement doesnt make sense. “As for the reason why the NHS is going abroad for its nurses, because the British don’t seem to want to become nurses anymore and sadly hospitals can’t function without nurses. Last year 5000 British trained by British taxpayers money, nurses formally signed intentions to move and practise in Australia.”
Hang on, in the same sentance you say that the British dont want to become nurses, yet 5000 Brits were trained as nurses in 1 year?
Why do you think they are wanting to move to Australia? Because all the forign nurses are employed for much lower wages due to the economics I explained above. If you would prefer not to take my word for it, i suggest any economics text book and the chapter “the labour market”
Like I said before, we unfortunatley attract a few nutters into the BNP who, upon discovering this, are removed instantly.
However you are digging up cases that are over 10 years old and as we now know, the labour party of today are much different from the Labour of 10 years back, the conservaties of today are much different from 10 years back, so why cant the BNP of today be much different from the BNP of 10 years back?
July 6th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Cos ur still racist!
Your model
White workers paid good money>> Business’s make less money/some close>> Un-employment >> Less money going to the treasury>>Less governmental investment in to the NHS and education etc.>> Briatin becomes Polond.
Current model.
Economic migrants flood Britian>> Business’s pay less wage>>Business’s make more money>>Business’s contribute more to the treasury>>Government invests more in school/ NHS>>Business’s thrive and make more jobs for us!
Healthy economy!Great Britain
You are very left for a facist
July 6th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Such childishness!!!
Do you think for an instance that politicians are really working for our benefit? Politicians make waves, then make us believe that they are the only ones who can save us. How do they do this? By playing on issues at heart, e.g. economy, immigration, racism/prejudice, affirmative active, etc.
The only way to move forward is to be adaptable. How do we do that? By understanding culture and learning the local language!
Taking this article as an example:
Why is BNP gaining ground and on the rise? Why is/must this rise be worrying? The general thought is that the BNP is a prejudiced party. Does that mean the British people (read white indigenous people) are getting more racist?
What nonsense!!!
July 6th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Such childishness!!!
Do you think for an instance that politicians are really working for our benefit? Politicians make waves, then make us believe that they are the only ones who can save us. How do they do this? By playing on issues at heart, e.g. economy, immigration, racism/prejudice, affirmative active, etc.
The only way to move forward is to be adaptable. How do we do that? By understanding culture and learning the local language!
Taking this article as an example:
Why is BNP on the rise? Why is/must this rise be worrying? The general thought is that the BNP is a prejudiced party. Does that mean the British people (read white indigenous people) are getting more racist?
What nonsense!!!
July 6th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Oh dear, it looks like someone didnt read that economics book after all!
Its not my job to teach you how economics work, but with the models you currently describe it seems that you really do need the lessons!
Here though are some basic pointers, lets see if you can spot the flaw in your arguement.
1. Where do you think the majority of the migrants money goes?
2. If people are paid more money, what happens to their taxes?
July 6th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Your economic models are so basic anyone can make a model to suit their cause, the question is it realistic and yours def are not. Your example about the immigrant bricklayers; even if 10% of the foreigners are skilled briklayers who enter the labour market, well you forget that the millions of workers coming will also purchase properties and require bricklayers. So whilst there are now more bricklayers there are also alot more jobs available.
Despite your facts and figures the BNP are still as pathetic and racist as they’ve ever been. Immigration has increased over the last 30 years and yet London is now the financial capital of the world, unemployment is lower than it has been for the last 30 years, the current account deficit is smaller and gdp is higher and for the first time since the 19th century uk gdp per capita is higher than in the US.
July 6th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
It was providing a rough idea of the basic grasp of economics, I could have used plumbing, apple picking, anything at all really. All I was trying to show was that less workers than jobs = higher wages and vice versa.
However one additional point, these economic migrants do not club together and get a house built, they rent 10 to a flat, 3 to a room etc to save on overheads so more money can be sent home. They also if you watched the panorama entitled “Slough, how we lost count” you can see there are shanty towns popping up, I dont think bricklayers skills will be needed there!
For your information, London has always been the financial capital of the world as this is where the bank of England (the worlds first central bank) was founded. I will say that immigration has increased over 30 years and London is now one of the most violent cities in europe, with knife crime at a level unseen before in British history.
Unemployment, while steady is actually on the rise and will get alot worse with the incoming energy crisis.
Also unemployment is measured by the claimant count, which can easily be changed to distort figures. The labour force survey is what you need to look at. Finally, the amount of people claiming incapacity benefits is at a record level, these are not counted in the unemployment figures.
As for the remarks about GDP, GDP is not a measure of a good society. Lets say a riot took place in London and 100’s of shops were burnt out and goods destroyed. The Service of refurbishing the shops and replacing the goods all will increase the GDP! Training more police and equipping them with equipment will increase GDP!
Saj you are unfortunatley still living in the past about the BNP, with your blind hatred fueled by lies from searchlight. You would only be able to find out people were BNP members are if they told you, plus it would come as a shock as we really are nice people. The only people I hate are the government MPs who are responsible for this mess.
July 6th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
BNP Paul said: “Finally the comment “Paul, Ged and Joe P, quite why you bother reading a website like this, much less commenting, is beyond me.” sounds extremely racist and intolerant. Please tell me this isnt the case.”
Racist? You must be joking. People of all backgrounds can read and comment freely, unmoderated, on this site. One wonders if anyone of any background could do likewise on BNP sites like RedWatch. The point I was making is why would racists like yourself be reading InsideDesi magazine; you despise everything we stand for. The feeling’s mutual.
BNP Paul said: “My grandads brother was an Arnhem paratrooper, my Great grandad died in the Somme and my Grandad was in training, prepared to risk his life and I’m swelling with pride at of all of them.”
And what would they think of you now? They gave their lives to fight fascism and now you’re here defending fascists like Nick Griffin and joining organisations like the BNP.
Why would a legitimate political party be sending out death threats, and why would they even have a site as noxious as Red Watch?
Furthermore, why are the BNP inextricably linked to white supremacist terrorism committed by deluded Nazi fanatics?
You’re probably too young to remember the nail bombing campaing of 1999, which spread fear and panic through London, killing three people.
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/BNP_terrorist_links
We’re not just talking about sick people with risible opinions, we’re talking assault, intimidation and murder…
July 6th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Im not too young to forget the 7/7 London bombings. There, its easy to slander a tiny unwelcome minority in a group isnt it?
I can promise you that of all the BNP members i’ve met and spoken to, none are crazy like these you list.
For your information, my grandad is a BNP voter now too as he believes this country has lost its identity and the close communities that used to make this country so safe and beautiful, he wants them back.
The real facists are the ironicly named Unite Against Facism who use violence and indimidation to prevent the BNP from talking and/or discouraging people from hearing them.
Let me pose you this and please think about it before responding, not with the nazi/racist insults which to be frank, bore me as they have no relevence. Give a reasoned arguement, no isults.
Example 1. The UAF have heard the message of the BNP, they have attended meetings, read the manifesto and talked to members. They have decided that the BNP should not be given a platform at all, they should be hounded at every opportunity and threatened/abused where ever they can. Now my problem with this is that THEY obviously have had contact with the BNP and heard its message but members of the public should not be allowed to hear it at all because its racist etc etc. Can the people themselves not make up their own minds just like the UAF have done? instead they deny the free speech of people they disagree with.
Point 2. As not to be hypocrites, the UAF have not attended any BNP meetings, they have not read the manifesto and not talked to members. Therefore, how can they make all these claims about us?
Which one is it? They can either be hypocrites who deny free speech to opponents (real facism)
OR
They have no idea what they are talking about.
Now do you see why the UAF are not effective? If they really want to make an impact, demand free speech for the BNP, give them a platform and let the general public make up their own minds, just like a democracy is there for. You must at least agree with me on this one?
July 6th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Hitler was given a platform, preyed on fears and supported nationalism, look where that got us.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Well said Saj, I wonder if the extermination of the Jews was on his election manifesto?
Gri££in has just sexed up the rhetoric and because we have an incumbant government, he has managed to recruit a few sad sacks that can actually string a sentance together.
What is needed is a concerted and sustained effort by the minority communitys to head off this threat, don’t believe for a second that it’s only the Muslims these nut-jobs are after. History has taught us that we mustn’t allow ourselves to be divided, get united with our Muslim brothers and get organised, contact your local UAF branch and help with whatever you can.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:29 am
I’m sorry if I keep harping on about the UAF but, just look how worried our Natzi ‘freinds’ get just by the mere mention of their name…
July 7th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Worried? I think the UAF are a complete joke. You can only offer slurs and meaningless Hitler refrences while we can provide a future for the people of this country.
Oh, Hitler was in no way a Nationalist. He was a crazy imperialist hell bent on forming an empire regardless of the cost in life and resource. Nationalists respect the right for each country to be independant and do their own thing. For starters, the BNP would pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, plus have nothing to do with the upcoming Iran situation.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:59 am
The only future you types are interested in is a white one, the only way you could gain any credibility would be if you opened up your membership to non-whites and that’s not going to happen as long as you have the die hard Nutzis controlling your Fuhrer.
Don’t think that you are going to achieve anything either Nazi boy, the NF were a lot bigger than you at their peak and look what happened to them:)
July 7th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Many black people have lived in Britain for decades and would withouth a doubt classify themselves as English and hate immigration just as much as you. Why don’t they join the BNP, infact if you are just a legitimiate party why dont any black, chinese or asian people join your party? Because you’re about as legitimate a party as the monster raving loony party.
July 7th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Why dont you lot just buy a little village, fence it off, you know, call it Little england or something. Oh, preferably near woods. Then, when you have children, you can tell them that its 1948, only fish and chips on the menu, and they must not stray into the woods, for in their live– those we dont speak of(Asians) Bliss right? You can all spend your days there,doing morrissey dancing till the cows come home.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:54 am
Paul, et. al.,
There are good and bad points of immigration!
You talk about the City being the world’s financial centre, but this is only made possible by the skilled professionals from the US, India, etc. that come over and contribute their skills which are severely lacking in the UK (e.g. acturial sciences), and in return, they receive a salary package, which is taxed at 40%! A win-win situation!
Of course, they are those immigrants who do not add value, similar actually to the ‘chavs’ who do not add value but instead drain public monies by means of benefits. And no, immigrants to the UK are not entitled to benefits.
Citizens of all nations are not too keen on immigration. Whenever I have to fly across the pond for a meeting, etc., the immigration officer at Heathrow would remark, “Off to the US? Lucky you!”. On my return, the immigration officer on that end would say, “You live in England? Lucky you! We’re full of Hispanics!”
The US, UK, etc. are really trying to cope with immigration. Even the people of Malaysia are complaining about the immigration scenario there!
In order to overcome over-crowding here, maybe, just maybe, we can ship off unwanted immigrants and also unwanted ‘chavs’ in order the balance the incoming immigrants that do add value to British society??? :-)
July 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Paul, I’m afraid you appear to have lost the plot, assuming you had all your marbles to begin with. A BNP member calling Unite Against Fascism a bunch of fascists … whatever next?!
The real comparison is not with the 7/7 bombers, but with other political parties.
Consider the case of Tony Lecomber. Lecomber is one of Nick Griffin’s closest aides. In 1991 he was sentenced to three years’ jail for an attack on a Jewish teacher (and you wonder why we call the BNP the British Nazi Party?), then, eight years LATER, AFTER he’d been banged up, he became Nick Griffin’s deputy. Now either Griffin’s incredibly thick if he didn’t know about Lecomber’s past, or he’s a Nazi. Which one is it, Paul? He kept his job even after police found hand grenades and detonators in his home in 2006, only getting the boot after being convicted of plotting to murder a policeman.
What legitimate political party would allow such an individual to rise so high, after he had been convicted of a racist attack on a Jewish teacher? And what respectable leader would be linked to someone like David Copeland, the London nail bomber?
And you still haven’t condemned Red Watch. Or the death threats. In your twisted and paranoid mind this is all part of a UAF/New Labour/Tory/Lib Dem/media conspiracy.
You need help. Go out and get it.
July 7th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Oh, and what party would place at number two on their list of candidates for the London Assembly someone who said the following:-
“I’ve never understood why so many men have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the feminazi myth machine into believing that rape is such a serious crime … Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.
“To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that forcefeeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched.
“The demonisation of rape is all part of the feminazi desire to obtain power and mastery over men. Men who go along with the rape myth are either morons or traitors.”
That was in August 2005.
And in November 2005 said: “Some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly … The vast majority of domestic [assaults] are initiated by the woman … Mothers should never go out to work … career women are unnatural and vile … it is a strange kind of woman who would want to invest [her] energies into her job rather than into a man.”
This was three years before he was selected as a candidate. Three years. These are not fringe elements. They are close allies of Nick Griffin. When the controversy broke, Griffin defended him before reluctantly standing him down.
Notice the pattern, Paul?
July 8th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Well said Paul!
Excellent!
July 8th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Shamik I simply cant be bothered with people like you, I put forward constructive and well thought out arguements. I state that I dont agree and am glad that these indivuals members have been removed because they do not reflect the membership as a whole, I also highlight how old some of these cases are. I also show how there are many many unwanted indivuals in the labour/con/lib party.
I could go about digging through the Koran and pull out all the unsavory verses and quote them here to try and shock/scare people into thinking my way but this isnt my style and it seems to be your field of expertise.
Even when I’ve got a really good point you all refuse to recognise it, opting for smears of nazi/racist which if you ever met me in real life would never have even come to your mind.
I posed to you the question about UAF and you dont answer it at all, only again (yawn) open with the insults. Same when I PROVE that 80% of new British jobs have gone to foreigners, I bet that individual felt pretty stupid for claiming that I imagined it.
At the end of the day, if this is the very best you can do to try and stop the growth of the BNP then you are wasting your time.
Here is a link I suggest you click on; http://www.cchobby.co.uk/?gclid=CJr25bvyr5QCFRSb1QodX1gStA
Insults might work in the playground, but not in the debating chamber as you are finding out more and more.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
July 08, 2008
Welcome to the angry world of BNP organiser Andrew Gatward: Nazi fantasist, bully, racist, weapons collector
Posted by ‘Save our Lee Barnes’ campaign
He’s prepared to fight America, wants George Bush and Tony Blair murdered and may have faked a conversion to Islam
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The BNP’s West Lindsey organiser Andrew Gatward has a disturbing mind. In two of his internet postings, which we re-produce below, Andrew Gatward declares that not only is he personally prepared to fight America but he also calls for both current US president George Bush and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair to be murdered. In other postings, Andrew Gatward raises the prospect of violence against non-Whites and British Muslims in order to ethnically cleanse Britain of their presence.
For many readers, their first introduction to Lincolnshire-based BNP organiser Andrew Gatward would have been Lancaster Unity’s recent article, Redwatch threatens to murder councillor after abusive BNP email published. In that article we detailed one of Andrew Gatward’s many abusive emails sent to grandfather of two and Labour councillor John Taylor:
From: AndrewGatward@aol.com
Date: 03/07/2008 09:54:41
To: jwt35@**********
Subject: Re: Welcome to my web site I am a labour councillor in Tameside for the Dukin…
have spoken with my mates in tameside, they dont know what your talking about…so the liar strikes again….you really are worthless to anything decent taylor…your illiterate, retarded, and must have suffered a very bad childhood…was it the sex with your mother thats upset you…and regarding the closure of your site dumbo…you say it your self in one of your latest posts…senile as well, but then so are the rest of your mob…get a life, and stop being jealous of the unity, loyalty, and comradeship we all have in the BNP, which i am sure you all long for in the Labour nazi’s……and yes, you will be out your seat in no time, whether it be by BNP candidate, or Conservative, i don’t really care at this stage…conservative can win all for me, as long as the Labour Hitlerites are removed…..your very very sad taylor, you need medical help, and I suggest you get it
Death to George Bush! Death to Tony Blair! The paradox of Andrew Gatward: (fake?) convert to Islam yet a racist obsessed with Muslims
Andrew Gatward is a racist obsessed with Muslims. His personal blog and other internet postings almost exclusively rant against Muslims and Islam. Yet, we can reveal that in early to mid 2006 Andrew Gatward purported to be a convert to Islam and devout Muslim on an Islamic website, IslamiCity.com! Registered as ‘jajabinks101’ and signing off his posts as ‘Andy’, Andrew Gatward gave the appearance of an enthusiastic convert to Islam. Not only that but he claims that as a Muslim he is more than prepared to fight and kill Americans, and calls for George Bush and Tony Blair to be murdered.
But, we wonder whether Andrew Gatward faked being a convert to Islam or subsequently left Islam and ceased to be Muslim. It is clear from our research that both prior to and after 2006 Andrew Gatward posts numerous racist anti-Muslim postings on the internet.
Posting as UKpatriot on another Muslim website, islamicawakening.com, Andrew Gatward abuses Muslim users on the same thread with the following comments:
“This is our country … Why dont you just leave OUR country and practice what you believe in freely elsewhere? … The UK is waking up to this silent muslim invasion and I promise while im alive i would fight to the death … Like I said when the BNP come to the fore you will wish you never started this whole sorry project”
On another blog, again posting as UKpatriot , Andrew Gatward states:
“THE ONLY PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS GROWING ISLAMAPHOBIA IS THE MUSLIMS THEM SELVES..WAR IS ON THE CARDS … ISLAM WILL BE CRUSHED AND DESTROYED”
Openly posting as Andrew Gatward, he then issues the following warning to British Muslims in the guestbook of another website:
“watch out Islam, our time is coming … when our action groups get together … so enjoy your time, because it is not going to last”
On his personal blog, ukpatriot-keepbritainbritish, under an article in which he condemns British Prime Minister Gordon Brown a ‘traitor’, Andrew Gatward (as UKpatriot )claims that the presence of Muslims in Britain means that there is a:
“A CALL TO ARMS…DON’T IGNORE IT”
Andrew Gatward’s strange ability to link Gordon Brown with Islam continues in one of his many abusive emails to John Taylor, when he makes the following preposterous claim:
——-Original Message——-
From: AndrewGatward@aol.com
Date: 02/07/2008 12:27:17
To: jwt35@btopenworld.com
Cc: lilnutta@btinternet.com; Davecatlicense@aol.com; Lakarha@aol.com; Flashalice@aol.com; Svmconsult@aol.com; Northprairiestar@aol.com; BCanf10028@aol.com; PhoenAll@aol.com; AndrewGatward@aol.com; Anotherwhitemug@aol.com; Blueshed1@aol.com; DiamondGal345@aol.com; Parsleydog@aol.com; Princessnat04@aim.com; SHREDDERxx@aol.com; t1aw@btinternet.com; val.manchee@ntlworld.com; VTMJORDAN@HOTMAIL.COM
Subject: Re: Turncoat
see not only does you, the Labour party, and unelected brown seek to sell out to islam …
But, we also read Andrew Gatward declaring himself to be a convert to Islam and a proud Muslim on Islamicity.com:
“Im a recent convert to islam … Dogs are only dirty if you allow them to be, we as muslims are expected to be clean, so, my pets will be too … evil is in abundance outside islam”.
It is in the following post on Islamicity.com that BNP organiser Andrew Gatward states his willingness to fight the USA:
“if as a muslim i am called to fight america, I will, once all peacful avenues have been exhausted..to fight and kill like an american is to lower your self to their level…Allah teaches us that peace is what we stand for, and peace is what i pray for..how about the USA letting the rest of the world live in peace, keep your capitalist way of life within your capitalist borders, islam will grow, and it will surround the evil like an anti body, and it will shine light every where that Allah is, and the world will be at peace..
Allah Uakhbar..Allah is just, as he is true, he will guide us to everlasting light, and to paradise.
Peace to all my brothers and sisters”
In the rest of that post, he makes the following comments:
“If my post appears to be leading away from the topic of conversation, i apoligise…i have so much i want to say, but am not a person able to do it with reserve or compassion some times…perhaps my coversion to Islam will help me in future
I posted a couple of questions last week, and mentioned that I was seriously thinking of converting to Islam….I was ridiculed by Americans, more so because Im british, and they think we owe them something….Ive been thinking, and i am going to convert to Islam, Not for any other reason than, that it is the right thing to do…I there for no longer see the USA as an allie, but an enemy that we should not attack physically, but pity because of their ignorance to other peoples freedoms, and ways of life. the hate for Islam and Muslim people i have personally witnessed from Americans, is abhorrant, and comparable to that of the Nazi and the Jew…an arrogance that beggers belief, and a bully boy attitude that has to be confronted.
When everything in the world comes down to money, theres only one country to blame for much of the worlds unnaceptable state, both financially and physically and thats the USA …
America is the root of all the worlds problems today …
Take heed America….the hate for America, an all it stands for is being fuelled by your actions around the World today, and you have only your selves to blame …”
It is in the following post on Islamicity.com that BNP organiser Andrew Gatward calls for George Bush and Tony Blair to be killed:
“There is no difference between Bush, Bin laden, or Blair…they are ALL war criminals, and as such should be put to death”.
On the same thread, Andrew Gatward then abuses another poster whom he accuses of being a current or former US army soldier.
Interestingly, a year ago, three months after he joined the BNP, Andrew Gatward wrote an article, US and British invasion and oppression, for the Iraqi Arab news agency, Al-Rafdean. Writing on the Iraq war, Andrew Gatward states: “I pray to Allah, that he grants an end to this hate and killing”. We wonder if Andrew Gatward is still pretending to be a Muslim or simply changes tack to suit his perceived audience.
How does Andrew Gatward view himself?
Andrew Gatward describes himself on his main blog, ukpatriot-keepbritainbritish, in the following somewhat gentrified terms:
“I am a person who is loyal to his country..i am polite and respectful when speaking to anyone about their politics or religion, and respect the fact that their views may not fall in line with mine..I am not a racist, but i am loyal to my country and its people, no matter what their colour or religion, but i want immigration stopped, and those immigrants already here illegally, found and deported..I am devoted to the idea that anyone coming here to work or live, should be loyal first to the country, respectful to the laws, and tollerant of our traditions. I would also expect anyone coming here to be able to support themselves for the first 10 years, before being able to claim state help, and never to be able to have a vote in any election”
Andrew Gatward’s ideal description of himself certainly does not tally with his actual behaviour as demonstrated by his various emails and internet postings. Contrary to his assertions about himself, Andrew Gatward is clearly impolite, racist, disrespectful about the politics and religions of other people as well as disrespectful to British law. Combined with a fascination for nazi memorabilia and bayonets and a possible fake conversion to Islam whilst abusing Muslims through his racist postings, Andrew Gatward is indeed a strange character.
Andrew Gatward’s campaign of threats, harassment and abuse against John Taylor
For the past 24 years, John Taylor has served his local community as the Labour councillor for the Dukinfield ward in Tameside, Greater Manchester. Yet, his area has been repeatedly targeted by the BNP. Due to his electoral successful, John Taylor has been subjected to a consistent and targeted campaign of harassment by the BNP. The intensity of this harassment has been such that the local courts granted John Taylor a legal injunction against failed BNP candidate Roy West who stood against John Taylor.
Recently, Andrew Gatward has taken a leading role in co-ordinating the BNP’s campaign of harassment against John Taylor. Within a space of four days, from the 1st July to 5th July 2008, Andrew Gatward bombarded John Taylor with at least twenty emails. Interestingly, Andrew Gatward, intentionally or inadvertently, forward John Taylor internal BNP emails detailing the organisation of the BNP harassment campaign against John Taylor. Below, we reproduce three of Andrew Gatward’s emails to John Taylor, two of which contain threats of possible violence:
——-Original Message——-
From: AndrewGatward@aol.com
Date: 02/07/2008 10:47:40
To: jwt35@btopenworld.com
Cc: lilnutta@btinternet.com; Lakarha@aol.com; Flashalice@aol.com; Northprairiestar@aol.com; PhoenAll@aol.com; BCanf10028@aol.com; val.manchee@ntlworld.com; vtmjordan@hotmail.com; AndrewGatward@aol.com; chairman@bnp.org.uk; publicity@bnp.org.uk; Lgre19@aol.com; eastmids@bnp.org.uk; leicsandrutland@bnp.org.uk
Subject: Re: Turncoat
Your not an MP you moron….you have never been voted in as anything other than a scum bag Nazi lover…take a look at your requests for opinions on myself..back fired a bit don’t you think…
I have more loyalty, and trustworthiness in my little finger than any slime ball like your self could ever have….I watch the back of my friends, and am perfectly prepared if called up to do so, kill any of my enemies…you are one of them…I am close to my colleges in the BNP, and the bond, and trust between us, is something you would never understand, being the liar, and gutter snake you are..oh sorry, Labour Councillor, but then, is that not the same thing…..
Come speak with me face to face, lets see who is the gutless wonder then…any time your ready and willing, just let me know when you want to meet…by the way…the night of the long knives has a totally different relevance to your interpretation…perhaps you should get your friend to read you a book all about its one night when your in bed together, then you may understand what its about…..which borstal were you educated at?
——-Original Message——-
From: AndrewGatward@aol.com
Date: 02/07/2008 19:03:01
To: jwt35@btopenworld.com; publicity@bnp.org.uk
Subject: Re: Welcome to my web site I am a labour councillor in Tameside for the Dukin…
oh I dont need to just here tameside…I know exactly where you are
John Taylor
27 Jubilee Avenue, Dukinfield, Cheshire,Tameside,
SK16 5ND
0161 308 3471
i see your now going to close the site down..heat a little too much for you is it….the Labour cowards withdraw again…and you reckon you have a hope in hell of stopping the BNP…think again, and i will make a point of dealing with you personally once the BNP take power…only i will have too join a que of about 1700 by the looks of your blog..your a pathetic little man, with nothing going for him…We in the BNP are there for each other, thats why i went back, and i found out that the Voc were the real nazi’s, thats why i did not stay with them…..i care not what you think of me, or the BNP…but be careful what you care about when we come to power…
——-Original Message——-
From: AndrewGatward@aol.com
Date: 01/07/2008 08:24:51
To: jwt35@btopenworld.com
Cc: chairman@bnp.org.uk; publicity@bnp.org.uk; Lgre19@aol.com; leicsandrutland@bnp.org.uk; eastmids@bnp.org.uk
Subject: Welcome to my web site I am a labour councillor in Tameside for the Dukinfield w
Hi folks
Just a quick note. Please read this idiots blog, my letter to him, and take into account his spelling, grammar, and gutter press approach. Is this really the kind of moron worthy of any kind of seat other than the toilet!!?
Regards
Andrew
cc regional
From Nick Griffin to Sadie Graham back to Nick Griffin: Gatward the Turncoat goes organic
Andrew Gatward is a pure political opportunist. Readers will remember that back in late 2007, a group of disenchanted BNP rebel members under the leadership of BNP Nottingham councillor Sadie Graham attempted an internal coup against BNP leader Nick Griffin. At the time Andrew Gatward immediately announced his support for the Sadie Graham faction against Nick Griffin. But, within days the BNP website, under an article entitled Splinter Group Effort Grinds to a Halt, declared that Andrew Gatward had turned his back on the rebels and rejoined the Griffinite BNP fold. Andrew Gatward was quoted as saying: “The party hopes that this unpleasant episode will soon be at an end and activists can concentrate on the real business of saving Britain”. For this act of political treachery, Andrew Gatward has been dubbed ‘Gatward the Turncoat’ by his rival BNP activists.
According to our source, Andrew Gatward was talked back into joining the Griffinite faction of the BNP by the BNP’s intelligence officer, Arthur Kemp (a former intelligence officer for the old racist South African regime). However, it was this act of betrayal towards his former rebel colleagues that led to Andrew Gatward falling out with millionaire BNP businessman Roger Robertson, one of the main financial backers of the Sadie Graham faction. From mid-2007 Roger Robertson was bankrolling a BNP scheme whereby Andrew Gatward was to start a BNP organic farm. The idea was to commercially produce organic vegetables and attempt to flog them to BNP members and supporters via the BNP website. When Roger Robertson couldn’t persuade Andrew Gatward to re-join the anti-Griffin campaign he attempted to recover the money and equipment used for the organic farm scheme. Andrew Gatward now pledging his loyalty to Nick Griffin point blank refused to hand over either money or equipment and to add insult to injury denounced Roger Robertson as a “treasoness Freemason” (ironic given that Nick Griffin’s father has been recently revealed to be a senior Freemason, and the father-in-law of BNP founder John Tynall and initial financial back of the BNP, Charles Parker was also a long-term Freemason). According to our source, Roger Robertson is in the process of taking legal action against Andrew Gatward to try and reclaim the money and equipment.
Ex-BNP members speak out on Andrew Gatward
What do other BNP members think of Andrew Gatward? Two former BNP members recently posted the following comments about Andrew Gatward on the Lancaster Unity blog:
ex-bnp said…
Gatward made a total and utter cock of himself at last years Blackpool conference. He got up to mumble on about every single item raised much to the irritation of all present. He just did not know when to shut up; what a tool.
Later he went onto banging on about how handy he reckoned he was and how he fancied himself as a bit of security! lol. He is just another example of the type of shallow egotistical gimp that Gri££in loves to surround himself with.
He has even appointed himself as the party’s ‘Security & Intelligence Officer!’ WLF? What a fooking hilarious contradiction in terms that is. The guy could’nt work his way out of a fire-exit.
2:38 PM, July 06, 2008
Another ex BNP said…
“Why is Gatward using ECN to encrypt his death threat Redwatch e-mails, as ECN is an Italy-based anonymous mailing website more often than not used by radical anarchists rather than the far right?”
Gatward is a clueless daftie but he is not the kind of person to make death threats and he hasnt the brains to know how to use the ECN service. Dont make the assumption Gutwad sent the threat.
1:32 PM, July 06, 2008
The comments by Andrew Gatward’s former BNP colleagues don’t exactly read like a glowing endorsement.
Andrew Gatward: Hitler worshipper, collector of weapons and seller of nazi memorabilia
Idiotically and illogically, Andrew Gatward, as the stupid racist he is, argues that all non-whites in Britain are neo-Nazis!:
“Its groups of ethnic pigs in this country that are racist, not the BNP … the neo Nazis are the ethnic minroities in this country, and they can get away with it at the moment. but it is they who drive greater support to the BNP, and they will ultimatly pay the price for being Nazi racist bigots … It might be an idea for the ethnic nazi’s to make the most of this time…britain will not put up with it for ever…I do not beleive in reprisal, but it will come no doubt”.
Apart from raising the spectre of violence against non-Whites in Britain, the fact is this: it is Andrew Gatward who is a secret neo-Nazi. One of our sources confirms that Andrew Gatward recently attended a London event of Hitler apologist and convicted Holocaust denier, David Irving. Further, on a military bayonet collectors forum (that’s right folks, Andrew Gatward collects weapons, a frightening prospect), Andrew Gatward posted under the Hitler-adoring nickname, v88strikeforce. In fascist and racist circles, ‘88’ stands for ‘Heil Hitler’ (the letter ‘h’ being the eighth letter in the alphabet). Further, ‘strikeforce’ is a popular term in neo-nazi circles. For example, one of the publications of neo-nazi terrorist group, Combat 18 (founded by the BNP in the 1990s) was called Strikeforce. It also features as a lyric in a song by the neo-nazi band, Prussian Blue. Not only this, but Andrew Gatward argues: “If someone believes that Hitler was right in his quest, then that is their right to do so”. Further, Andrew Gatward sells nazi weapons and memorabilia as a moderator for a website that lists items such as ‘Box of 3 German 15CM Shell Cases Insert Superb’, ‘Superb German WW2 Bunker Lamp Afrika Korps Colours’, ‘German SS Belt Buckle….Original with RZM + SS marking’, ‘WWII Nazi German NSKK Enamel Blue Badge’, ‘Fuse for the mine ZZ-42!Inert, Relic’, etc. and as the owner of the semi-defunct website, Blue Max Militaria (which is reduced to carrying adverts for World War 2 German reference books).
We ask this: should someone like Andrew Gatward be collecting weapons like military bayonets, especially in light of his racist rant on the bayonet collectors forum (see link)?
Did Andrew Gatward lie about his BNP membership?
Our sources tell us that Andrew Gatward joined the BNP in March 2007. Yet, in a March 2007 posting on The Times website, Andrew Gatward claimed not to be a BNP member:
“times are changing, and the BNP are winning…I am not a BNP member, but can see why people are joining…my vote will certainly be going to the BNP ….
andrew gatward, Lincoln, Great Britain”
We know that prior to March 2007, Andrew Gatward was posting pro-BNP statements all over the internet. But, in light of his The Times posting did Andrew Gatward lie about his membership of the BNP? We leave this as an open ended question.
Split personality? Is it ‘Andrew Gatward, BNP organiser for West Lindsey’ or ‘Tony, BNP organiser for Boston Holbeach and Spalding’? Or, are they the same person?
Another source of ours claims that Andrew Gatward may also be moonlighting as ‘Tony’, the BNP’s organiser for Boston Holbeach and Spalding (also in Lincolnshire) and operator of the racist pro-BNP blog, The Lincolnshire Patriot. Our source points to four circumstantial factors that leads our source to believe that ‘Tony’ may also be Andrew Gatward. Firstly, the highly idiosyncratic writing style and grammar employed by Andrew Gatward on his main blog, ukpatriot-keepbritainbritish (as well as in his other numerous internet postings) is virtually identical to the writing style and grammar used by ‘Tony’ of The Lincolnshire Patriot blog. This is demonstrated in the below box which compares the ‘Profile’ segment on Andrew Gatward’s ukpatriot-keepbritainbritish blog with the ‘Welcome’ segment on Tony’s The Lincolnshire Patriot blog. What the reader will clearly see from the box, apart from the very similar writing styles and childishly over the top bombastic rhetoric, is that in any sentence that both Andrew Gatward and ‘Tony’ begin with the capital letter ‘I’ any subsequent use of the letter ‘i’ is in lower casing or if a sentence is not begun with ‘I’, if that sentence later then uses the letter ‘i’, again ‘i’ is used in lower case:
Andrew Gatward (BNP organiser for West Lindsey, Lincolnshire)
‘Profile’ (on right hand side): http://ukpatriot-keepbritainbritish.blogspot.com
“I am a person who is loyal to his country..i am polite and respectful when speaking to anyone about their politics or religion, and respect the fact that their views may not fall in line with mine..I am not a racist, but i am loyal to my country and its people, no matter what their colour or religion, but i want immigration stopped, and those immigrants already here illegally, found and deported..I am devoted to the idea that anyone coming here to work or live, should be loyal first to the country, respectful to the laws, and tollerant of our traditions. I would also expect anyone coming here to be able to support themselves for the first 10 years, before being able to claim state help, and never to be able to have a vote in any election”
‘Tony’ (BNP organiser for Boston Holbeach and Spalding, Lincolnshire)
‘Welcome’ (on left hand side): http://lincspatriot.blogspot.com/2006/12/welcome-to-blog.html
“Welcome all - This is my blog with which i hope to lay down some of my thoughts on the state of the nation that is Great Britain in the early 21st century. I will also look at some of our nations history - i believe it is important to know and take an active pride in your history and culture. As a Nationalist i am a proud member of Britains finest and most decent political party - the British National Party. I am a white middle class taxpayer and as such despised and ignored by the establishment lackeys whose wages i pay.”
Secondly, Tony is short for Anthony and Andrew Gatward’s original birth name is ‘Anthony Cooper’ (Andrew Gatward was adopted at birth).Thirdly, both the ukpatriot-keepbritainbritish blog and The Lincolnshire Patriot blog are singularly obsessed with racist rantings against Muslims (an indirect reference to Asians), Andrew Gatward’s favourite hobby horse (see above). Fourthly, both blogs make repetitive use of the same shared phrases such as ‘Great Britain’ and ‘Islamification’, key Andrew Gatward signature traits and many postings on both blogs are partially written in capital letters.
Our source may be right. But, we would also like to hear from any informed readers who may be able to confirm this.
Conclusion
Clearly Andrew Gatward is a potentially dangerous person. He has unequivocally stated in his emails that he is prepared to commit violence against John Taylor, a grandfather of two. Further, let’s not forget his open admission that he’s prepared to fight Americans and raises the prospect of violence against non-Whites and Muslims in Britain. From our understanding, John Taylor has discussed the Redwatch death threat and Andrew Gatward’s abusive emails with the police. Let’s hope that arrests soon follow. The lessons of World War 2 and the Spanish Civil War serve as bitter reminders as to why we should not forget the reality of the BNP as fascists and racists intent on achieving their goals by any means necessary. ¡No Pasarán!
July 8th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Im sorry but that long winded comment is just so pointless, I dont know who Andrew gatward is, have never met him and dont care to either from the looks of it.
By the way, so you really think sticking the words “Racist” and “Facist” infront of every mention of something or someone you disagree with is key to winning the debate?
I’ve got a fantastic idea, i’ll find the blogs and emails of some fanatical muslim jihadist, post them all over here and then claim its representative of the Islam as a whole.
If you want to beat us
http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/minimanifesto2007.pdf
There is the manifesto, read it, find some points in it and discuss.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Manifesto? Manifesto, from a party that selects and establishes polciy based on race and race alone, you have got to be kidding.
Grow up! Travel the world, broaden ur horizon…